The changes show! What should I tell people?!

Something very interesting happened to me last weekend. My sister, Gwendolyn, came to visit us with her husband. Gwen and I have been very close for more years than I care to remember, but she and Zack have been abroad for the past year, in Africa, so we haven't seen one another for over a year and have not kept in touch while they were away.

When she arrived, we embraced in a great big hug, and then got straight into making coffee and catching up. She told me about their life in Africa (“our African adventure”, she called it) and we each marvelled at how the other's kids have grown.

Then the kids wanted to go to McDonalds so my gorgeous husband took them all plus other hubby off, leaving me and Gwen in peace for a while.

The minutes the front door slammed behind them, Gwen said to me, “Debra, talk to me. What's happened? Something's different. You've changed. Is everything okay between you and Jerry?”

Initially, I didn't get where her questions were coming from. Jerry and I must have started exploring our natural tendencies towards dominance and submission over a year ago now, and the changes happened over time, so it took me awhile to realize what changes my sister was seeing in me. What she saw was a slimmer, more attractively dressed, more serene, more happy, more content, and yes, more in love looking woman than the one she'd seen last. Since Jerry took the reins and became the master of the house, my libido has gone through the roof, and our sex life is better than it's ever been. We're so in love! He's my knight in shining armour. He's so attentive and chivalrous to me now, I feel like a queen. I truly have the marriage I always dreamed of, the one they tell you doesn't exist outside romance novels.

Gwen was so surprised by my new, more feminine, much more attractive style of dress, and by my peaceful, much more confident, happy air, that she thought I must be having an affair!

I told her that I am indeed having a steamy affair – with my husband. She wanted to know all the details. Even though we are very close, I did not want to tell her. Gwen is quite a strong feminist, and when I was involved in a BDSM relationship many years ago before I was married, and before I discovered what I really want (not BDSM!), she was upset about it when I told her about it. Her reaction then had surprised me, and I feared another bad reaction this time too. So I tried not to tell her. But she was very persistent, and then she asked if we'd gone BDSM.

I said no, I'm not into that, but I do think of Jerry as the master of the house, and he does make the decisions and expect me to obey at least some of the time.

“Does he hit you?” was her immediate suspicious reaction.

Well you know when you get asked that, there's probably no answer you can give that's going to sit well with them. So I ignored the question and pointed out that she had seen not an abused, battered wife, but a wife so happy and peaceful that she thought I must be having an affair! That worked. Perhaps a bit too well. She wants to know the full details. She wants to know what our secret is. She wants to know so she can try it too. Help! What am I going to tell her?! Has anyone else had this experience? What did you say? Please give me advice!

Debra

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Advice

Debra,

Please don't feel you must share intimate details about your marriage with your sister if you don't wish to. It's none of her business, however much you love each other.

However, if you *choose* to share, there are several ways to go about it that might be easier than just blurting it out. One, you can suggest books that are reasonably well-received by society, like "The Surrendered Wife" by Laura Doyle. The book section here on "Taken In Hand" has several more titles to choose from.

Also, there are many very good articles right here on this website that do not focus solely on the discipline aspect, but instead focus on the more traditional roles in a marriage. There are also several links from here to other sites, like "Power and Love", which once again offers a fairly straight-forward analysis of the traditional male/female roles and downplays the significance of discipline.

Overall, reading about something can be much less threatening than actively discussing it face-to-face.

If you cave in to her demands and start to talk about it after all (which is very likely; hey, I've got a sister too! *g*),

try to remember if/when she starts to object to any of it, to keep pointing out how happy you are. "Don't I look happy? Aren't *you* the one who said I looked great? Can't you see how I'm glowing?" etc...

And for pity's sake, remember, you do NOT have to share anything you don't want to. It's perfectly okay to say, "I'm sorry, that's private between my husband and myself" or "You know, I'd love to tell you more details, but I really can't." etc.

Finally, try not to expect anything from her in return. Whatever her reaction is, don't take it to heart. For instance, if today she thinks it's a great idea and seems very supportive, she may later change her mind and call you saying she thinks it's terrible. If that happens, please try not to get upset, just let her have her opinion. You can remain calm and serene while you quietly agree to disagree, then tactfully change the subject.

It's far more impressive to walk the walk than talk the talk. If you continue to be calm, serene, beautiful and happy, she should eventually get the picture.

Regardless of your sister's reaction/non-reaction, what's most important is: you are doing what makes your marriage work. Don't let anyone talk you out of that.

Good luck, I sincerely hope I helped.

Amber

Should I tell...

Hi Debra, I've never shared with another soul what Gary and I practice. Firstly I doubt people really understand what I am saying, but some press so here is my version of why I am happy.

I start by saying we have a more 'traditional' type of marriage.

I am loved and spoiled beyond a doubt but I also live in a more 'giving' style. Gary knows and asks about everything that makes me happy.

But when it comes to decision time, I defer to his final say. I am happy to do what he asks, as he does the same in return.

And then I stop.

I certainly do not talk about spanking or accountability. I do say he is the 'boss' of the relationship but that was something we agreed on.

But if the ones questioning are very smart, they will ask what happens when you disagree with a decision.

No-one has every asked me and I'd often wondered when I'm going to get nailed.

But if asked, I do say it is not always easy to go along with what he says, but it is in my best interest and we settle things in our way.

But bottom line, I am in love, loved more than anyone can imagine, and very, very happy.....Blush

Not Much To Add!

Debra, there's not much to add to the great advice from Amber and Blush. If your sister has shown that she's not open to BDSM, and she's a feminist, I'd be wary about telling her unless the BDSM was frightening maybe. (When isn't it?) The fact that she asked if he hits you when she'd noticed you were happier looking seems like she's going to react badly, otherwise the fact that you're happy would have made her question her stance. My guess is she'd react like Ben's correspondent on the Surrendered in Love thread.

Be Honest

I say you should be honest and say yes, he does hit me, and I love him for it. Is everybody so scared of being true to themselves, these days? You have nothing to be ashamed of.

"he what??"

"has he been beating you?"

"well... he spanks me!" [completed with a content, sweet smile]

"he what??"

"oh c'mon, tell me you don't find that erotic!"
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Most of the time, I find it's not how "gunkhold" others are. It's how comfortable I am about my own lifestyle. If you don't feel comfortable about sharing with others, then don't. But I find most vanilla recognize spanking as something that connotes intimacy, and not abuse.

-sudolly
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the belief in truth is precisely madness - Nietzsche

Related question

When my fiancé and I decided to start a DD relationship, he was very worried about someone finding out and reporting us to the authorities. It was his understanding that no matter how much I protested and told them I consented completly, well meaning people would intervene. Has anyone ever aproached this problem before? How did you handle it?

Tell the Truth

I firmly believe in telling the truth and I have done it several times, even before meeting my husband. I always knew that I wanted to be in a spanking relationship and told my co-workers my desires. Of course, there was some scoffing, but there was more understanding than I ever imagined. I worked at that time with my sister and she did not then and has not ever said one negative word against my inner most desires.

I would treat the situation as a parent does when their child starts asking questions about sex. Only answer what she asks and volunteer nothing more. But if the topic comes up, please explain to her that your lifestyle is not BDSM, but merely a traditional one.

My husband's mother knows of our lifestyle because she saw "switch shopping" one evening and asked what we were doing. I honestly told her that I was getting a spanking. End of conversation and once again, no negative words have ever been spoken. She laughed. She was not shocked or disgusted. Instead she accepted it.

Now as for my parents, they do not know but if it ever came up, I would tell them. My attitude is take it or leave it, I have to make myself happy and my husband being HOH definately makes me happy.
To the poster who is afraid that others might interfere and call authorities, I have often wondered the same thing. My own conclusion is this. Should the cops ever show up, they would will not see any evidence of abuse and should I tell them it was merely a spanking, I have the right to show them or not. Consentual spanking is not against the law, as far as I know. Secondly, should this ever happen, I would make sure it did not happen again by 1. screaming into a pillow, 2. using an implement that does not make so much noise or 3. making sure all windows are closed to prevent someone hearing.
These are just my experiences and thoughts. Thank you for letting me share them with you.

Journee

Tell the truth

I'm very impressed by your savoir-faire in being able to tell people honestly about your spanking relationship. however, when you say you tell people it's merely a traditional relationship, not BDSM, I'm not sure that it isn't more difficult to admit to a 'traditional' relationship. I mean, a lot of people might find BDSM easier to accept, the assumption being that it's for fun, not serious. I know when I first came upon this website, I was thrown into a turmoil of conflicting emotions as I said incredulously "these people are serious? This isn't just some kind of sexual game, they actually live like this for REAL" (unless of course I have completely misunderstood the nature of this site and you are all just fantasists). Admitting you like being spanked is one thing (though actually I've never been able to admit even that to 'normal' people). But admitting you actually live in a serious DD relationship with a man, that you actually let him discipline you for real, let him tell you what to do, what time to go to bed, control your spending power, even in some cases CUT UP YOUR CREDIT CARDS, I can't see myself ever having the nerve to admit that!

Tell the truth

I have been in a Taken In Hand/DD relationship for over 8 months now. My husband and I set ground rules at the beginning as to what would constitute being disciplined. My husband is the head of our home and runs it very smoothly. At first it was hard...in fact very hard. I relinquished control in all areas of my life. If I cop an attitude and he notices it I get a few swats. If I fail to show respect and am dishonest then I get a full blown spanking. Seems like lately I have received one every day this past week. But in answer to your comment, I do give him the authority to tell me what time to go to bed, how much money I can spend, etc. Sounds rather controlling, but in a totally submissive marriage I wouldn't have it any other way.

Janelle

Some things are best kept private

Can't I keep something private without being called not honest, not true to myself, and ashamed of myself? Is privacy dishonesty?

Privacy

I agree with you entirely, some things are best kept private. It is not dishonest to not want to share the personal details of your relationship with everyone. You probably wouldn't care for it if they shared all their personal details with you, so why should you want to tell them everything?

Louise

It is also very erotic to kee

It is also very erotic to keep secret personal details of your relationship with your husband. It creates a deep bond between two people that noone else can share in.

Be careful whom you tell

Debra,
I have told one person fully about my relationship and her response is supportive then and she is still supportive now. She's known me for a long time and she remembers what I was like with my first husband, what I was like as a single parent and what I am like now. She says that this is by far the best me she has ever seen.

All that being said, this woman and I have been close for many years. We grew up together and always stayed in contact, even though our lives went in different directions. I trust her implicitly. And because she trusts me as well, she knows that if I was unhappy I would tell her.

Maybe bottom line about telling someone, is it depends upon who is asking.

M-

Share,without giving away the farm

About 10 years ago at a hospital picnic my husband was sitting with a bunch of other doctors talking and I came up behind him to check in so to speak. He told me to check on the kids, which I had just done, and he told me to go check again. I knew that meant they were talking about something, so I left to go check the kids again. Well that started talk. One of the other guys asked if I always did what he said and he told them "Yes". Amazingly, three others said their wives did also (all three are foreign, one was an arranged marriage). The other guys liked the idea apparantly and some told their wives. My husband told me I should get together with the other three like-minded wives sometime and get to know them. I did and we became great friends.

Unfortunately the other wives weren't enamored with us and one, Sarah, named us "The Stepford Wives". We got called that for years. About 4 years later, Sarah called to have lunch with me. I didn't want to go, but my husband insisted. He thought she might want to make amends or something and I should give her the chance. (We had always been polite to each other at functions).

As it turns out, she was facing divorce and her husband apparantly had told her years ago if she spent less time making fun of the Stepford Wives and acted more like us, they might make it to their 10th anniversary. She was humble and honest and it took me by surprise. I told her about "Surrendered Wife" because it's the only book I could think of off-hand, and I honestly didn't know where she was coming from for the most part. I invited her to our bi-weekly lunch with the other Stepford Wives to try to encourage her and we hit it off.

Things went well, then about 3 years ago Sarah found this website and told us about it. She started printing things out, and eventually taught us all how to get on the site ourselves. That brought up conversation about the physical side of our relationships which we had never talked about before. One friend readily admitted this already existed in their relationship, and the other three of us admitted it also, although more reluctantly. Sarah took that idea home and they have since added that to their relationship. This happened after years of friendship and instinctively knowing that we were safe to talk about it with each other.

My point is just that you can talk to someone who notices that your relationship is different and ASKS by suggesting a book, or talk about eliminating power struggles, and do so without giving away the farm. It's not illegal to have a traditional reltaionship (I know you don't like referring to it that way,Louise, but for us it is traditional). You may help someone make it to their 10th wedding anniversary, and you may just end up with like-minded friends.

Charity

Charity - I really agree with

Charity - I really agree with your comments. My best friend and her husband were on the verge of divorce a while back (and are still stuggling). When she and I talked about the struggles she and her husband were having, she asked me how it is that S and I don't argue. She thought it was because we are 'so much alike'.

I told her about my choice to obey him and trust his judgement - even when I disagreed. I told her that no one is right all the time and yes, he's made some bad decisions, but not many and none were disatourous. I told her that he cherishes me and would give me the world (which she already knew). I even told her that he also punishes me if things get out of hand - because YES, we do argue. The bottom line is that I told her that because I defer to S, treat his with respect, love him dearly and show him inside and outside our home, that there is little reason for us to argue.

She has since been making an effort to make things better with her husband. And when they were over for dinner a few weeks ago, there was a definite difference. When I asked how things were going, she said 'I can't believe what a difference a little bit of obedience makes.' and proceeded to tell me about how their life is changing for the better.

That same night S was speaking with her husband and asked how things were going. Her husband said he didn't know what had gotten into his wife, but she had changed. She doesn't argue and they are no longer in a power stuggle.

So - sometimes telling someone a little about your life (as much as you are comfortable with) can bring about a lot of happiness.

M-

Hitting vs. Spanking

You know, it may sound funny to some folks, but I don't consider hitting and spanking to be the same thing. Maybe it's because hitting is something that I perceive as something that is forcibly DONE TO someone and spanking is something that I SUBMIT TO having done to me...I'm not really sure.

Many, many years ago, I was engaged to a man (who by the way is NOT my husband and never got the opportunity to be my husband). He was a heavy drinker, and when he drank, he got mean. One night, he got drunk and hauled off and hit me in the face (I don't even remember why). The next day, he apologized profusely, said he had never done anything like that before, and promised he would never do it again. I decided that everyone makes mistakes, so I forgave him with the warning that if he EVER hit me again, I would be gone forever.

Things went "okay" for about a month and the wedding plans continued. I started to really see some red flags because I noticed he resented the time I spent with my best friend (a married woman) selecting her bridesmaid's dress. He didn't like me riding my motorcycle. He called me constantly at work, to the point I almost couldn't perform my duties and nearly lost my job--if I hadn't complained to my boss about it first, I might have. There were other indications that this was not a safe man for me to be with and I was beginning to have second thoughts.

One Friday night when I was spending the weekend with him, the following day was declared a mandatory work day for my department. I went to bed before he did. After I had drifted off, he came into the bedroom and turned off the alarm. Since he worked for the same company, he knew missing a mandatory work day could be cause for dismissal. I sleepily asked him why he had done that and he told me he'd turn it back on when he came to bed. Since that made no sense to me, I reset the alarm myself.

The next day, while I was at work, he took my daughter to the flea market. She later told me he drank beer all day. That night, we went out to eat supper together. He continued to drink heavily and nothing pleased him--not the food, not the service, not the company he was keeping. By the time we came back to his place, I was miserable. Trying not to aggrevate him, I tucked my daughter into bed in his spare room and then quietly got out my book and sat down to read it. He very snidely told me that was JUST what I needed to do, read a damn book! I asked him what he WANTED me to do. I don't remember the reply but I pulled off the engagement ring, picked up my car keys, and was about to get my daughter from her bedroom when my world exploded. He snatched my car keys from me and threw them somewhere. He then threw ME into the bedroom and began to choke me. I nearly bit his thumb off trying to get him to let me have air. He apparently realized what he'd done, because he suddenly grew apologetic and took me into the bathroom to clean the blood off my face, but while he was wiping my face, he exploded again and shoved me backward into the bathtub. I apologized for making him angry, put my engagement ring back on, and told him I would stay. This apparently calmed him down. I couldn't find a safe way to get both my daughter and I out of that house until Monday morning when I left for work (we had concocted a story for our coworkers of how my face and his thumb had gotten messed up). I took my daughter to school and then went to work and told my boss what had happened. He advised me to get a restraining order, which I did. AFTER all this happened, other coworkers came forward and told me they had known he was abusive to previous girlfriends but didn't quite know how to tell me.

THAT is what I consider hitting.

About a year later, I met a wonderful man who eventually became my current husband. When WE were engaged, I did that little thing hinting around that I wanted him to try spanking me. I don't even remember the reason I felt I should be spanked. He agreed and told me what day I would get my spanking (on a night my daughter would be visiting other family members for the evening). Of course, waiting three days to get my spanking just ADDED to the effect of it! It probably wasn't all that hard a spanking compared to some that I get now, but none since have ever had quite the impact that one did. Every single time I used the ladies' room at work the next day, I could feel the reminder of the kiss of his hand and my little rubber-ball paddle (you know, the kind with rubber band connecting the paddle to the ball?). This little thrill ran up my spine as I thought about how he had spanked me the night before and I just lost my heart to him.

What happens in our household now that we are married and have agreed on spankings for discipline (as well as for erotic reasons), things are more along the lines of my husband (who to my way of thinking has NEVER hit me) telling me to come to him when I am about to be disciplined. I already know why it's going to happen, although it certainly comes up again just before the spanking begins. Then he usually tells me to lay over the end of the bed (although we recently agreed other positions are okay too). He will ask if I am ready. Upon my nod or verbal say-so, the spanking will commence and the burning in my bottom proceeds to build up.

To me, that is NOT the same thing as hitting.

Now, would I recommend you tell your sister that your husband spanks you? Hmmmm...I'm not sure. It probably depends on how much you trust her. I think I side with those whose advice is to keep certain things between the two of you. OR you could make a joke of it..."yep, he spanks me when I'm bad...and I am so, so bad" (then laugh).

Learning how to behave,
Shelly

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