A marriage of understanding, passion and pregnancy

The key word for our Taken In Hand marriage is understanding. When I married my husband I wanted to throw down the heavy armour that my career laid upon me. I worked long hours; I was expected to be an active, forceful boss who was the one in control of tasks, people and I was there to pick up the pieces when things went not to plan. When I married, that part of my life was over for me. What I wanted was for my husband to take charge, to be the boss and to be a strong provider for when babies came along.

My husband and I had an understanding. If my man was to be obeyed, I needed him to work hard at his career and at our relationship, there had to be a trust between us and we understood the importance of good communication. Whatever the situation, good or bad, we would talk together, discuss options together, but my husband would have the final say and I would obey that decision.

I am seven months pregnant with our first child. My husband wanted us to start a family straight away, so my body was this open door of possibilities – open to his seed, to nurture his child. With my swollen belly and breasts, my man more than ever loves to make love to me.

His growing baby inside me heightens the deep responsibility and determination to protect and provide for me and the baby. This also makes him feel more of a man and the sex is wonderful: he's strong and dominant and still takes me when he wants.

With our deep love, trust and understanding I am happy to obey his wishes regarding the birth and breastfeeding. My husband wants a natural birth with no pain relief (not even gas and air) and he wants me to breastfeed his baby on demand for 1 year and then he wants me to carry on suckling until the baby is 2 years old. My body is a vessel for my man's creation and his baby's need comes first.

Carolina K

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Erotic pregnancy... good memories

I too found it very erotic to be impregnated by my husband at his will and he too became even more into me when I became pregnant with his child. He would whisper in my ear when he was making love to me, how much he loved me and how excited he was to have impregnated me and to have made me have his baby. He also turned me on by whispering that I would give birth without pain relief. When it happened he was the one demanding that they give me pain relief – he went white as a sheet! It made me feel so loved and taken care of that he was ordering the doctors and nurses around to make sure his wife was well taken care of. And when he saw our baby for the first time, there were tears in his eyes. Ah… good memories… We are so blessed.

Pain relief and breastfeeding

With a wonderful, supportive husband; you may find that you are able to relax and enjoy the whole experience of childbirth and after. I hope you can. However, the hormones of pregnancy, labour and the post-partum period do things to your body that you most definitely do not control and that can even threaten your life. Since a dead, disabled or mentally ill mother is no use to any child, it is not appropriate to say that the child or your husband's wishes are more important than you. I'm quite sure that is not what you meant and I'm also sure that as your husband loves you he would never put you in any danger or allow you to suffer any unnecessary distress. However, I think it is better to head towards labour and the post-partum period with a realistic understanding of just how messy and dreadful it can get when things go wrong. Don't forget that death during childbirth in the poorer countries of the world is still horribly common and is not completely avoidable even in the best equipped of modern maternity wards. My sister, a midwife, had to deal with a maternal death just a few weeks ago. While that is thankfully an incredibly rare experience in the UK, she brings home regular tales of difficult births and I know from my own experience and that of friends just how real, difficult and debilitating post-natal depression can be.

Please do not be put off by this though. I am delighted that you are enjoying pregnancy so much and relishing the prospect of parenthood. I wish you great joy and I'm sure that with good advice, support and perseverance you will enjoy the process of breastfeeding. I certainly did (although the initial stages were very very tricky for me). I just don't like to think that you might end up beating up on yourself if your planned birth does not materialise and you find yourself experiencing a messy emergency C-section or find the pain of post-natal mastitis so debilitating that you are unable to breastfeed. Your health, welfare and happiness are utterly vital to the health and welfare of your child. Be kind to yourself and allow yourself to go with the flow. Good luck!

Good luck!

Carolina,

I agree that for some men pregnancy can be very erotic. I know it was an incredible time for both Mike and I, we were not even in a Taken In Hand relationship at the time. Mike was in complete awe of my body and its ability to grow our child. He found it both sexy, and an awesome responsibility. He felt very loving and protective of me. He was right there through both of my pregnancies. He came to every mid-wife appointment, and was there holding my hand through every test I had to take. He wanted to be involved in anyway he could. He was with me as we researched the childbirth options, and we too decided that a birth without medications would be best for us. We got through natural childbirth twice. We were prepared for emergencies too and had decided when we would say yes to medications, c-sections etc. We were aware that not everything goes according to plan, sometimes childbirth can lead to real emergencies. Also we felt it was something very natural so we wanted it to be as natural as possible under any circumstances.

It was very erotic for me to have such a devoted husband beside me, helping me, supporting me, and loving both me and our child from the start. I felt connected to him so much knowing his children were growing in me. In all it pregnancy was a powerful experience for us.

I applaud your decision to breastfeed your child. My husband was breastfed and he wanted me to breastfeed our children too. After I found out all the benefits of breastfeeding for both my child and myself I was convinced. A suggestion I have is to have handy the number for your local La Leche League, they are an international breastfeeding support organisation. You can find them on the web at http://www.lalecheleague.org/. They helped me a lot in my decision to breastfeed when I had difficulties, especially in the early months. I doubt I could have done it without them. My husband found my ability to breastfeed his children erotic also.

Maybe some men find mothers of their children erotic. I know I found my husband's fathering a turn on, so why should he not find my mothering erotic also?

Anyway good luck. I hope everything works out well for you. If you feel like it let us know how it went!

Take care,
Tevemer

Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong. -Dandemis

Another dimension

Dear Carolina,

Let me start by wishing you all the luck and happiness in motherhood. Currently I am pregnant with our second son, the first one being 3 years old now, and I can fully subscribe to the opinion I heard before Nr.1 came, namely that the start of your first child`s life is the real start of your own. I know this sounds very dramatic, but for me it is the truth. My husband`s life and mine had always been very fulfilled, but when our son was born we felt that this was another dimension, another depth and height of life and your ability to feel sorrow and happiness and energy and, yes, exhaustion.

Also childbirth and the first weeks-months-years are a time to experience your abilities to their fullest. Today you cannot even imagine how long you are able to go without sleep or how ingenious and daring you can become if it comes to cope with unexpected, or plain crazy situations in which your child needs help from you.

Saskia Weisser

Reading Carolina's comment on

Reading Carolina's comment on pregnancy and desire only makes me, as a young woman, desire a husband one day that will love me, possess me, one with whom to make beautiful babies with... as a new member to this forum, I am slowly being introduced to Taken In Hand ideas. These ideas that are being discussed here ring true to me... I think I have found a secret treasure. Hopefully in the future I will meet the right man who can make this real. I look forward to the day that I will be impregnated by the man I love, to being 'his' and sharing in a beautiful relationship based on ideals of respect, obedience, love and desire.

Carolina, I wish you all the

Carolina, I wish you all the very best with your forthcoming baby. I hope succeed with your natural birth and plans for long term breast feeding. I passionately believe women should breast feed for as long as possible. My husband also felt his baby had a given right to my breast milk for the first 2-3 years and I was happy to obey his wish.

Freya's birth lasted a gruelling 19 hours with 2 hours of pushing, but my husband kept strong, focused and dominant with me and I felt so thrilled and elated to naturally birth his daughter without any medication or pain relief. So Carolina when the time comes and active labour sets in and the going gets tough, have your man be at his dominant best!

Be a birth tiger

I should be revising for important exams but keep coming back to this website.... damnit! I am posting for the first time as feel compelled to respond to this amazing piece.

Caroline, you are lucky to have a switched on man to guide you to the natural route. I would like to offer you one piece of advice (I just went through the miracle and trauma of childbirth - and it is both - so feel I want to help you in whatever way I can. Women need women at this time).

Buy two books - Birthing From Within (can't remember author), and Birth and Breastfeeding by Michel Odent. Ooh, and Water birth by Janet Balaskas.

I can honestly say that giving birth naturally and not clouding your clever body with drugs is a really good way to do it. There are immense, and tangible benefits to you and your baby by doing this. And you can do it, your body knows what to do, THIS is the normal path, not the wacky alternative. The drugs merely interrupt the very effective endorphin pathway and stop the push-stretch-push reflex. We have all forgotten in recent years that it only became fashionable to have a drugged birth since post-war America sold the concept to women as being more 'glam' and high-net worth individuals flocked to do it, the rest followed...

Breathe in through your nose, blow out through your mouth, count the outbreaths as you go, count backwards from 20 and I guarantee the contraction stops long before you get to 1. You don't have to do the WHOLE labour at once - childbirth is one contraction at a time, just breathe through that one... then rest again.

Giving birth with a strong dominant man beside you... now that is a piece of magic that will stay with you forever. I had my husband to lean on, used his physical strength to hang from, he kept me upright forward and open all the time and stayed strong when I was tired. I had an entirely normal natural birth at home in a birthing pool (which he jumped into fully clothed when we held our baby for the first time) and I can tell you from hearing my friends' co-erced, intervention-ridden and clinical production line experiences - this was definitely the better way to do it.

Yes be aware that you might have to change plan if things go wrong, but they won't. They do only rarely. People are so quick to say 'Ooh but what if something goes WRONG'. Imagine if everytime you said 'I'm just driving to the shops' someone said 'OOOHHHH but what if you CRASH???? I know someone who CRASHED' Sigh. Yes, you might, but let's not focus on it shall we!! Labour is one of the few times when the medics can see a dangerous situation coming in plenty of time to do something about it. It's not like a heart attack with a tiny window to make good. Focussing on what goes wrong is tantamount to expecting it. Trust your body. It knows what to do.

Anyway, there is gold dust in these books to tell you everything you need to naturally welcome his baby into the world. There is a chapter for him to read on being a birth Guardian which fits well with the Taken In Hand mentality too - well worth a read.

Right, I have blathered enough, I wish you all the very best and remember - it hurts, it's hard work, and you can do it. That's all you need.

LKT

Nature and medicine

I have had one long, painful, exhuasting and messy 'natural' birth, which was finally put an end to by the blissful application of an epidural. i've also had two caesarians. Based on my own experiences, I warmly recommend the caesarian.

Nature be damned, medical intervention for me every time. Let us never forget that nature is entirely callous, and indifferent to suffering. Nature doesn't care whether you live or die, the doctors do.

Louise

Maybe we don't think "Ooh, I

Maybe we don't think "Ooh, I might crash on the way to the shops" but we do buckle up and we do ensure that we drive modern cars with airbags. Grand inventions which have drastically reduced deaths on the roads. Same with midwives and doctors. Without them our maternal mortality rate would be that of the historical norm of 1 in every 100 women.

Natural childbirth is wonderful and much to be recommended for those for whom it works. But you were lucky LTK. Not everyone is. You can't extrapolate from your own experience to those of others. Nor can you expect that your own future births will mirror that of your first. We are all unique and our bodies respond in different ways to life's traumas. And childbirth is a trauma. I know you mean to be encouraging - but I don't think you appreciate the hugely negative impact of your conviction of the "rightness" of natural birth on women who feel miserable for months after childbirth because they didn't manage to do it on their own. I know many women like that who feel miserable and low at a particularly vulnerable time of their lives. Why do they feel miserable? Because of posts like yours which suggest that all you have to do is go to the right classes, read the right books and breathe the right way. Wrong. They didn't fail to give birth naturally because they didn't breathe properly or because their husbands didn't read the right books - but for perfectly good reasons to do with the health and wellbeing of themselves or their child.

Please encourage natural childbirth. I would too. But please don't suggest that this is something that everyone can have. They can't and if they try against the advice of their doctor or midwife they may well risk the health and even life of themselves or their child. At the end of the day it is the baby in your arms that matters, not how it arrived there.

home birth

For anyone considering birth options, home birth is an excellent choice for a healthy low-risk mother. I have done both the medical directed hospital birth (once) and home birth (twice) and I can say from my experience, home birth was the far better option.

At home, one is surrounded by only those who love you and care about your entire family. There is comfort in knowing that your children are being cared for, your friends are close by and eager to offer support in any way they can. You are able to relax and let your body do the work it already knows how to do. In a hospital, you are told what to do and when and strangers are constantly attempting to monitor and manipulate the process. The natural response to this added stress, even if minimal, causes your body to tense and labor is made more difficult.

Having a loving and supportive husband at your side enhances the experience; as the birthing mother lets go into herself, she is secure in deeply knowing that he will take care of all things external. In harmony with the midwives, the strength and committment of the father makes the whole experience a joy.

This is not to say that natural childbirth is painless. Of course not, but it is pain that can be welcomed with a trusting openness that is hard to achieve in a medicalized environment. At home, the mother and child, with the support of family and midwives give way to birth. In a hospital, the doctors take over and direct the birth according to their medical training and hospital policy. The woman is not honored and her body is not trusted. And the father, though strong and able, is hardly acknowledged in the birth process.

Now, this all being said, not all women can or should birth at home. However, all women can and should learn about birth and their many birth options. They need to be aware of the difficulties that can arise as soon as medical intervention is introduced. If more women were allowed to labor naturally, without induction or arbitrary directives, there would be FAR LESS surgical births. The best all women can do is to be aware, be prepared with a birth plan and demand that their rights and bodies be respected. In a hospital, a strong and knowledgable partner can help ensure this will be so.

I wish you a blessed birthing experience, no matter what route you choose.

Traditional birth

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When it comes to giving birth I believe passionately in hospitals, doctors, painkillers, and in husbands not being allowed to interfere at all with any of this. The doctors and nurses may not love you, but they don't have to, they're not there to love you, just to get on with their job. Love won't do you any good at all if something goes wrong and medical intervention is needed.

And on a site where 'traditional' marriages are much extolled, I would point out that the 'traditonal' role for a husband to take while his wife is giving birth is not to be anywhere near her. He's supposed to be outside, pacing up and down, and handing out cigars when the baby is born. Husbands should not be honoured in the birth process, they have nothing whatever to do with it.

Louise

Obeying...

By all means follow his instructions. Do make sure he has learned all he needs to know about birth, however. I cannot obey someone who knows less than I do about something. It's a core need in submission, that you're trusting them and know they know best. The aim is fine. The reality is that it may not work out like that and that that's fine too as long as you have a back up plan and as long as he knows that's normal too, not failure, just how birth is. I've had quite a few children and one was at home by far the nicest birth.

Strong dominant men may well want to be there to support their women. It's the couple's choice or perhaps in the case of a Taken In Hand relationship the husband's choice. I agree with Louise that traditionally and I thnk in just about every society other than ours today, men aren't present but I think it's one of the most caring things and strong things a dominant man can do to be there. Who else's arm is it best to clutch on to? You need his strength.

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