My perfect guy, and the marriage he has given me

I've been married now for two months. If you've read my writing elsewhere, you'll know the circumstances of how that coincided with launching into a more traditional style of life together. My relationships with men have always involved a lot of conflict. I'm very assertive and I guess that can be interpreted as aggressive too. I work in a man's world, I'm one of a very small number of women in my field and I'm just one of life's scrappers I suppose. But that is a mantle I assume for my day job. I don't want the hassle of it when I get home too. I like the idea of having my man kill my personal dinosaurs and I like the idea of cooking them down for him once he has!

So when I got married second time around, I vowed to obey. I didn't really address it in my mind as an active lifestyle choice but on reflection, when we looked at the services we could choose, I had no hesitation in choosing the very traditional one. We had the kind of priest who was happy to remove the obey bit if we wanted, but I recall Mark shooting a look at me when this was suggested (by the priest) and knowing in my heart that I wanted it in my vows and in my life.

Part of why I can obey Mark, is that he just so clearly is the head of our household. He's a naturally in charge sort of guy. But more than that, I respect him. For the first time in any relationship I've had, and not just the romantic ones, I've met somebody who is stronger than me from an emotional intelligence point of view. I know that I can rely on him and that he wants me to. He can rely on me too, let's face it we all need a hug every now and then, but what I'm talking about is more to do with taking on the traditional roles in our household and having one of us be the decision maker.

For those who suggest that the discipline should go two ways – and by that I mean that the husband should submit to discipline from the wife as well as the other way around, I say this, I don't get to punish my husband, that's the whole point... I promised to obey him. In return he protects me, supports me and takes the responsibility of being the decision maker. I guess his punishment is in the consequences when he makes the wrong decisions. He imposes his own discipline – self-discipline.

I certainly don't get to or want to tell him to take a “bare butt whipping”. The lifestyle we have chosen together isn't about an excuse to indulge in S&M or pointless physical punishments, it's about traditional roles within our household which create an atmosphere of harmony because we don't have the ‘modern’ battle of trying to lead the pack; and part of that includes chastisement from the leader occasionally, in many forms.

In the last week or so, we have introduced a new way of reducing antagonistic scenes and arguments brewing. It involves counting! On some occasions Mark will simply tell me to count to ten. I remember my granny used to tell me to do this when steam started to shoot from my ears as a kid. When Mark tells me to do it, it makes me stop and think about the track I'm going down. If he's had to say it to me it tends to be because the track is pretty self-destructive, either for me or our relationship. On other occasions, he will ask me if I want him to count me. Either I stop or he counts to one – that will have a consequence later involving some form of punishment, if he gets to two, well the consequences simply increase and at three the consequence will probably involve a later physical chastisement and will involve me having to take time out there and then. It seems like the most embarrassing thing in the world to be told to take a time out in a public place like a shopping centre for example. But sitting on a bench for ten minutes, calming myself down and thinking through what ever it is I've been up to works! The whole point is that I stop, I calm down, I know that I have just been told that the battle no longer exists and that is the end of it, no grudges, back to harmony and getting on with the fun of loving each other and the time we have. OK so it isn't the end of it in that the consequential punishment may come later but it is the end of it on an emotional level.

I know that I can easily goad Mark to the point where he wants to punch my lights out. He doesn't of course but when I use that kind of emotional bullying against him, we have both agreed that he has the absolute right to let me know the error of my ways. I'm not a whipping slave, I make sure that it doesn't happen often and that it will happen less and less often but only because I'm learning to behave myself in more appropriate ways and therefore he doesn't need to show me any form of discipline. Having spent the past 30+ years learning how to be a ‘modern’ woman, it naturally takes a little time unlearning those dictates, accepting that actually I don't want them.

Since entering into my new, married lifestyle, I have very rapidly come to the conclusion that the obedience I observe in my marriage is about much more than my husband putting me over his knee. In fact, that is probably the least significant part of it. What is truly important and remarkable is the joy we have found in our traditional roles. All the pressures of our pre-marriage days have simply drifted away by defining our relationship in this way. By defining it, I don't mean we've called it a “DD” relationship, because Mark certainly hasn't and we have no interest in any sort of ‘scene’. What I mean is that we have defined the roles we both have and we both know what the boundaries of those respective roles are and we have rules to follow.

This takes a lot of the negative thinking out of the whole equation. I know that if there is an important decision to be made, Mark has the final word after listening to my opinion, there is no point in fighting if I don't agree, I have already pre-agreed that he gets to decide and of course, he also gets to live with himself if he's FUBAR'd.

So sorry any feminists out there reading this because... I want men to hold doors open for me, I want to feel like a princess in my husband's arms, I want to be feminine, I want to be able to cry when it all gets too much for me out there and to know that my husband is there, shining armor buffed by me, sword in hand ready to fight my battles for me. It makes me feel safe and it makes me the happiest I've been in my whole life.

Issie

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from a feminist

I very much enjoyed your description of how your marriage works. At the end, however, you introduced your last paragraph with "So sorry any feminists out there reading this...", and I'd like to comment on that. Feminism is about women being free to make choices in their lives, rather than having those choices made for them by society. There is nothing anti-feminist about your choice, which you made freely. Good luck!

Feminism

I wish it were true that feminism is about women making free choices, but unfortunately, it isn't. They say that it is, but if you choose to be with a man who wears the trousers in the relationship, many feminists either brand you a traitor to womenkind or deem you not of sound mind.

but if there are feminists out there who don't, that's great!

There are always those who wi...

There are always those who will criticize the choices that others make, and criticism of relationships that embrace domestic discipline is certainly not confined to feminists.

I think where both sides of the discussion get into trouble is when they put forth the notion that what is comfortable and right for them is the "natural" way to be. I expect that what alienates some women about domestic discipline is the position that some proponents take that this is the way things are meant to be, and *should* be, between all men and all women. I think a more respectful approach is "this is what's right for me and mine; this is what works for us; this is what makes us happy."

It's not OK because it's natural, it's OK.

Someone writes:

There are always those who will criticize the choices that others make, and criticism of relationships that embrace domestic discipline is certainly not confined to feminists.
I agree. It is certainly not just feminists. But I don't think we can deny that a proportion of feminists take the view that if the choices we make are not the ones they would make, we are ipso facto mad or bad. Someone continues:
I think where both sides of the discussion get into trouble is when they put forth the notion that what is comfortable and right for them is the "natural" way to be. I expect that what alienates some women about domestic discipline is the position that some proponents take that this is the way things are meant to be, and *should* be, between all men and all women. I think a more respectful approach is "this is what's right for me and mine; this is what works for us; this is what makes us happy."
Actually I agree with this too. My hunch is that the desire for a strong man is not The Natural And Right Way to Be, it's fun and exciting to us for cultural reasons. I don't believe the hard wiring idea, but I don't think it matters either way. We don't need to argue that it is natural or a matter of hard wiring for it to be OK. There is nothing wrong with it! (The same goes for homosexuality, IMO.) See my comments here too.

Oh my gosh!! I could have wr...

Oh my gosh!! I could have written this! Right down to the male dominated field and the previous relationships defined by conflict.

The whole church nearly fainted dead away when I promised to obey my husband two years ago (I was 48 yrs old, and a life-long feminist.) He insisted.

Even as I spoke the words, although it felt right, I was afraid. And I had absolutely no idea what wonderful treasures were in store for me. This is marriage as it was meant to be!! (And I don't mean the "nature" thing.) Everyone I know is jealous of me, my husband's friends and colleagues are jealous of him, and we ourselves can't believe our good fortune.

I still believe in equal pay for equal work.... ;-)

Including the word 'obey'

When I got married in my mom's church we didn't use the word obey in our vows. My mom would have fainted on the spot or would have stood and objected ~ there was no doubt about that. So since she was footing the bill, did most of the planning and had basically been bullying us for months about all the damn details we didn't want to rock that particulair boat. Plus, we were already completely committed to each other in our hearts and minds. Our wedding was simply a formality for the folks.

So after the service, we were behind the alter to sign the license in front of the priest, my dad, my sister (who was my maid of honor) and his best man. That's when my husband joked with the priest that he wished we HAD included 'obey'.

And the priest said "Well, of course, that one's assumed."

No one really said anything and my new husband and I just smiled and signed our license.

~ Bonnie

In search of an obedient woman

Just popped into this site. Have visually scanned the articles and have only one question - Where can a truly God fearing, obedient woman be found? Where are the women who know that the man is supposed to be the spiritual leader in the house and willingly submits to that? The scriptural type union between a man and a woman comes only second to that of the union/relationship between a person and their God. None of the above is a part of any denomination or sect. It is just the unpolluted truth of the intimate relationship between a man and a woman. My name is James and I live in SE Ohio, in the USA. My e-mail address is jbee@zoominternet.net. As you can tell I am not shy about this. I am retired from the military and am ready, as it be God's will, to be the mate the DD woman needs and desires. Thank you for posting this and keep the site going. Blessings from above, James.

Re: In search of an obedient woman

Ideally, I would say she should be in the church you choose to attend. But, I've found that not to be the case for me. Don't get me wrong, there are many good "eligibles", but I haven't yet found one with that ever-elusive "spark".

KrosRogue

Obedient Woman

Hi James
I read your comment and liked it. There are truly obedient, God-fearing women out there. I am one of them. I am newly married to a wonderful christian male. He is the head of our household and the christian leader in our home. I live each day in thankfulness to God, putting Him first and my husband second. I try to live according to what God wants vs. what I would want. We had very traditional marriage vows. I honor, respect, and yes obey my husband. When I don't he lets me know about it. He sets loving boundaries for me to go by each day. I know when I have overstepped them and with it comes consequences. I love our marriage and feel this is the way God intends marriage to be. So James yes, there are women out there be patient. I am sure you will find one just right for you if it is indeed God's will for your life. In His Grip, Janelle

Janelle

Modern Feminism

What is the difference between a woman who chooses to be taken in hand, and a woman who is forced or coerced into obiedience? The answer is in modern Feminism. Women sought to make choices for themselves and not as some one in this chat mentioned "have society make choices for them" I believe that submiting to your man's authority by choice IS feminist. When I broached the subject with my partner I exlplained to him that his authority over me is a power, one that I wouldn't give to anyone but him. I choose blanket submission to my darling, but without being repetitive it is the choice that makes the difference. If when we started dating he insisted, coereced, or forced me to be obiedient to him, that would be abusive, and honestly I would have had nothing more to do with him. Instead he waited around for me to ask him to be my authority. I honestly could not survive another argument where I am entirely closed off—punitive sulking someone called it. Anyway, I am a proud pagan, feminist, And a submitted fiancée.

Scriptual type union

Something like this?

A. Marriage shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)
B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)
C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)
D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)
E. Since marriage is for life, neither the US Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)
F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe, and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)
G. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with him tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of course, this rule applies only if you are female.* (Gen 19:31-36)
(Courtesy of Protestants for the Common Good)

Scriptural type union

Oh, brilliant! Malcolm is a genius. Christians always talk as if the Bible is a book that makes SENSE, but if you actually start to read it, you see how full of contradictions and weird goings-on it is. Personally, I feel about the Bible the way Randolph Churchill (son of Winston) did. During WW2 he was holed up in a signal post or something with Evelyn Waugh and somebody else. They bet him he couldn't read the Bible all the way through in a week, hoping it would keep him quiet. However, it didn't work, as he read he kept shouting "My God, what a shit God is!"

Don't give me credit for this

Don't give me credit for this, louise, I got it third hand from Protestants for the Common Good

Malcolm

men give women authority

Hey all,

I just was skimming through this stuff. I know i'm only 16 years old but i totally agree with what I'm reading. I'm in church a lot and no women i've met there (or anywhere else) seem to believe men have the authority. It also makes me frusterated because no guy i know seems to want a responsibility like that. They pretty well give women the authority in the relationship right off the get-go. I think the world's a little out of order in that sense. cheers.

I have also found most men do

I have also found most men do not want the responsibility of authority in an intimate relationship. This issue has become a serious problem in my marriage and leaves me emotionally drained. Having to lead our household for 15 years has led to me desperately wishing for a break. I fear my emotional frustration will lead to me destroying our marriage in an attempt to find an alpha male who is willing to take the lead.

Obey / Feminism

Yeah, I vowed to obey my husband over 10 years ago :) We were far from family and firends, so I have no idea how they would have reacted...but I think they see our marriage is not the modern typical norm...

When I was in college in the early 90s my roommate thought I was insane...I was getting a degree, but my dream was to be a stay-at-home wife & mom...she thought it would be a waste of my degree...and she really could not understand my wanting my husband to be the head of household...in all ways...

so, while I think the main ideas that started feminism would not look down on a taken in hand relationship, the ones I meet think it is insane...

I often talk about businesses...if you own a 50/50 partnership what happens when you and your partner disagree on something? That is why it is important to have a decission maker...while my input is sought out and greatly appreciated in my marriage, it is ultimately my husband's choice...

Insanity/Feminism

so, while I think the main ideas that started feminism would not look down on a taken in hand relationship, the ones I meet think it is insane...

It does not really surprise me at all that mentioning that you want a Taken In Hand relationship would be met with the thought that it is insane. I must admit that I myself do not understand the need for this type of relationship. It is surely not "logical". If you think about it why on earth would a woman CHOOSE to obey someone else? Why would we choose a power dynamic that is not equal when so many women fought to get out of just that type of relationship? I think for me that matters of the heart need not be logical. For someone like me it has taken a lot of soul searching to come to that very basic and very simple understanding. I can completely understand though why others would question the sanity of women who willingly not only chose this type of relationship, but seek it out. I have been actively thinking and writing about this for years now, and to be honest I have no good answer for people who wonder why I might thrive in this kind of relationship. My only answer, which is maybe not answer at all, is that matters of the heart need to be logical.

I agree that there is a huge difference between being forced into a male led relationship and choosing one. But I think the average reader, outside of the community, would suspect foul play, or insanity. It is just too far outside their understanding of what is "right" or logical. We do have feminism to thank for this, and I would not have it any other way. I think that every woman should have the right to choose the kind of relationship that works best for her. Actually that is not completely true. I would have it one other way, that everyone is respected for the choices they make. I just do not let the radicals, sexist or feminists, tell me the way I sould live my lfe.

Take care,
Tevemer

Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong. -Dandemis

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