I think I blew my request for DD
I hoped today I would be posting that I was new to DD, but it doesn't look like that will be happening. I have prepped myself for three weeks to suggest it to my husband, even though I have yearned for it for years (before I even knew it had a name or a following).
I informed him tearfully during our lunch time conversation a few days ago that I was tired of being in charge. I told him I was ready for him to take the lead and "fix" me, fix our family. He was elated. He has always been a physically strong and Godly man, wonderful temperment, very reasonable and fair with us and his employees. So, the rest of the evening, he talked late into the night about what we needed to do. I felt like I was in a business meeting.
I've done the research. I prepped the best way I know how. I was going to print some advice, articles, blog info out to supplement my request (how glad I am that I didn't now). Last night, I asked him to pick up a bottle of whiskey on the way home and told him I needed to talk to him. We don't drink much, but I knew I was going to need a drink for this one. We got the kids in bed early. I had really, REALLY planned on giving him a good time while I was talking about it, maybe to soften the blow? I sat him down on the bench at the end of our bed, knelt at his feet, and sort of got carried away with what I was doing and never said a word. Due to the brick walls and barriers we've built over the last 20 years, I very rarely show that much affection and I am never the aggressor anymore at all. I think he was pleasantly suprised.
Afterwards, we were in bed and he was really basking in the afterglow. My poor baby.... he deserves so much more than I give. It's terribly sad. I think my drink had pretty much worked its way out of my system, as I had lost my confidence and my nerve, but I knew it was now or never. So, I'm going to give you a breif synopsis of our conversation. I want to know where I went wrong.
Me: I told you I needed to spill my guts and you haven't asked what about.
Him: I've been waiting. Let me hear it.
Me: I know this is going to be a shock to your system, and I really don't know how to tell you.
Him: Tell me now.
Me: Its just that I'm scared. I want so badly to please you, and I don't want you to think less of me.
Him: You NEED to tell me NOW.
(At this point, I realize he's thinking I'm about to confess that I've been unfaithful. This has always been the only thing he really requires of me - faithfulness. So now I know I have to spit it out or he's going to lose his cool.)
Me: It's a lifestyle I want to try. I think it will help us. I just want a 30-day trial period. I have behaviors I want to fix. I want to be a better wife and mother. Let me tell you what I did today to B (our 9-year-old daughter).
Him: What did you do?
Me: Remeber the other day when she told us her teacher said they could bring homemade cupcakes? (This is a big deal at her school as they usually insist on store bought for sanitation reasons.) I told her that was nice. But then yesterday when she got in the car at the bus stop, she said "Mom! Guess what?! My teacher said I could bring the homemade cupcakes!!" And I yelled at her. I said "B! I don't want to have to make the cupcakes! We have to go to the nursing home Monday and hand out gifts!" You should have seen her face. She never said a word, but just turned and looked out the window. I could tell that it just broke her heart. (At this point, I break into tears which is unusual for me, but I'm just so heartbroken about treating my baby that way.)
Him: (I can hear extreme disappointment in his voice.) I'm sure it did.
Me: I feel like my life is spiraling out of control. I need rules. I need boundaries. I need consequences. I need you to help me.
Him: What are you suggesting?
Me: There is a thing that people do. Actually, it's called Domestic Discipline. I even think X & Y practiced it at one point (some good Christian friends we had years ago when we lived elsewhere). X started to tell me about it one night, and I wasn't making fun but I was incredulous about it because it was THEM of all people, and she terminated the conversation and got "sidetracked". I think she wanted to confide but thought I wouldn't understand. It basically boils down to us setting rules for me, whether it be not disagreeing with what you tell the kids in front of them, not raising my voice to you or them, whatever we feel is necessary to invoke good changes for our family. And I submit to these rules, and I submit to you and your authority and if I don't, there are consequences.
Him: What are the consequences?
Me: Usually a blistered butt. (And at this point I start talking faster because I have so much information to put into his mind before he gets any preconceived ideas of what I'm talking about, and I'm just plain nervous to boot.)
Me: It's not a drag me by my hair to the bedroom and beat me kind of thing. It's supposed to be controlled, rational, and understood at all times why it's being done and I am to give myself up to it. I know in the past, I have asked you to spank me for erotic reasons, but this is different. It's supposed to be painful and memorable and in fact, a lot of people recommend no sex afterwards because it negates the punishment.
Him: When exactly do you suggest I blister your @$$ (ugghhh...not a good sign- he never cusses) when we have kids in the house?
Me: I don't know. (Actually, I had planned to bring up the loopy johnny because I knew he was going to ask this, but now I've chickened out because I don't want him to think I've been on porn sites all day.) I just would like to try it for 30 days. See if it fits us, if it can help me modify and correct some of my behaviors that need to change. I know it's a lot to put on you and I know you really don't need 6 kids to deal with instead of 5, but.......
There is this horribly long silence and then a deep breath from him, and he says "OK. First of all, let me tell you how this is going to work." And he proceeds to talk for an hour, asking for a yes or no here or there, but pretty much shutting me down completely. Most of his talking had to do with the kids and how he never wanted a big family but I did, now they're here and they have to be our first priority because they didn't ask to be brought into this world. He tells me that I can be a good wife and mother, he knows I love the kids, but he has watched life beat me up and I've rolled over and let it happen. He tells me that I have put it in his hands to lead, and that's exactly what he's going to do, and that he will do it firmly and without wavering. He tells me that I am a treasure to him, that he cherishes and loves me beyond measure, but the kids will always come first second only to God.
Then, the dreaded moment. I was hoping he wasn't even going to mention it, maybe he had forgotten I even said it. He says "I will tell you this C. I will never blister your butt unless we are playing games in the bedroom. What you've been reading and accepted as truth is a lie from the pit of hell and it will not happen in this house. I loved X and Y, but X had a spirit all over her. I want and expect you to be a strong, confident Christian woman, my helper and my partner. This is not what you need to get it together. What you need is to take all the time you spend looking up this nonsense on the internet (he hates the internet) and use it to read your Bible. God will help you to become the wife and mother you need and desire to be."
So, I went to be feeling ashamed, like an idiot. I lay there for the longest time last night wondering why I was infected by this need for him to dominate me in that way. Most women aren't. Why am I? I have always felt that need, even from a very young age. I'm pretty sure that's one of the main reasons my first marriage failed... I wanted my husband to be a man and take charge, and it just wasn't ever going to be in his nature. I knew from the moment I met my second husband that he was what I had dreamed of - full of authority, strong, masculine, a leader.
****sigh**** Sorry for such a horribly long post. I had to share with someone. I feel so alone and misunderstood. He had to fly out this morning for work and won't be home until late. I dread even looking him in the face, I'm so ashamed. I keep playing the conversation back in my mind and wondering if I should have said it differently... I practiced so much that I thought it would go off without a hitch. I really had deluded myself into thinking he would jump on board with me, but I think maybe I was a fool.
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#1 Re: I think I blew my request for DD
First a general comment to everyone: The above post is about Girl4givn's request for a DD (rather than Taken In Hand) relationship. Please note that a Taken In Hand relationship is not necessarily a DD one, and many DD relationships are not Taken In Hand ones. Many or most Taken In Hand relationships involve no DD, and Taken In Hand requires and assumes that the wife takes responsibility for her actions rather than dumping the responsibility for her behaviour on her husband. DD can sometimes be all about the woman (much like D/s is in some cases all about the self-serving dominant party). Taken In Hand is for the benefit of both. It requires both husband and wife to solve problems in ways that benefit both individuals and the relationship as a whole.
And now a note to Girl4givn:
It is always very painful to open your heart to one you love and get a reaction like that -- you must be feeling terrible -- but try not to lose heart. There is every reason for hope!
I understand that you think you want a DD relationship, and perhaps you really do, but you might find that what you want might actually change quite a bit as you and your husband work on jointly creating a relationship you both love. With even a small tweak here and there you may find that you no longer crave DD-style rules and punishments. Part of why you feel such an intense need for that now is that you feel so desperate to stop bossing your husband about. Your need for his control is currently insufficiently met. And when a need like this goes unmet, the intensity of the need typically becomes overwhelming.
Having said that, your husband may well surprise you. This kind of extreme negative reaction is very common, including in cases in which the husbands have then gone on to make the requested changes.
In your case this may well be even more likely than in other cases, because your husband clearly is already more in charge in your relationship than most husbands are. The way he adopts Taken In Hand may not be the DD way you currently think you want, but even that is by no means unlikely. Give him time. Don't try to talk to him endlessly about it. He needs time to think it through. In the meantime, strive to act as if he is already actively taking you in hand.
#2 Reconsider...
Does DD always have to be a spanking? It sounds to me like he took charge all right, just not in the way you wanted. He has laid down a consequence to you of spending less time online and more time reading the Bible. Submit to that and show him you really meant what you said.
#3 Hoping for you
I am very sorry this happened to you, Girl4gvn. I hope that you will be able to forgive him, and he will wake up and be kinder to you. I think he was downright mean to claim you had broken your daughter's heart. I am sure you did not break her heart. She was disappointed, and that's fine. My mother and my sisters with children don't have time for homemade cupcakes either, yet the children in my family feel very loved, and I bet yours do too.
You do not need spankings to get your act together. If you're worried about snapping over cupcakes, you must be very organized and soft-spoken. Maybe you just want disciplinary spankings to feel loved no matter what by him? Maybe if he understood this he would want to satisfy you in this way? The formality of the terms "Domestic Discipline" and "lifestyle" might have put him off when he would be fine with simply spanking you for acting up.
But is he kind enough? What if he's as harsh disciplining as he is talking if that's possible? Reading your post, I wished you could flip him over and whip his ass.
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#4 I'll pray for you...
I'm a Christian woman, too, and I have for so many years dreamed of the same things that you described. My first marriage was a disaster, mostly because I married him simply because he was kind to me (but really he just enjoyed being a doormat).
Currently I am in a wonderful relationship with a man who sounds a lot like your husband, strong, dominant, head of the household, responsible, and loving. I am carefully easing my way toward a Taken in Hand relationship but doing so very slowly for fear he will react similiarly. If I bared my heart's desires to my beloved and he reacted like your husband did, I can't even imagine how crushed and shamed I would be and my heart goes out to you.
Here's my best advice. Please ask your pastor about your husband's comment that children should come first - before you. I went to ministry school and have studied the subject of a Christian marriage extensively in my desperate hope to save my first marriage. If your pastor ever reads the bible himself, he will be able to help you explain to your husband that the structure God has set forth is this:
GOD
HUSBAND
WIFE
CHILDREN
EVERYTHING ELSE
Your needs, wishes, and desires are important and your husband should understand that he is expected by the Lord to love you as he loves himself. If there was something your husband needed, you bet he find some way to make it happen!
Lastly, I agree with the member who suggested you submit to your husband's desire that you read the bible more. Be obedient, even if it doesn't seem to be helpful in getting what you want. Even if your husband doesn't see or appreciate your obedience, I know the Lord will, and He doesn't leave His children to languish in despair when they try to hard to please Him.
I will be praying for you!!
#5 This is just the first step.
I feel very sorry for you Girl4givn. You question yourself if you spoke the exact right words to your husband, but those were your words, so they were right. The way your husband reacted was the right way, because this is how he feels about it at that moment.
He sees no posibillities to disipline you as there are always kids about the house (well, if there'se a will, there's a way), but above that he does NOT recognise your NEEDS on this matter. You have to point out much more explicitly what you need from him. Communication is the only way to open his mind. This should not be your last conversation on this subject, but it could turn out to be a rocky, narrow road.
I see a little light at the end of the tunnel though as you mentioned the "bedroom games". You may "reward" him if he does spank you, and in an erotic setting it may be much easier to hint him towards your desires. Tell him that you would really like/love/need him to do "that" too whenever you are naughty, misbehaving or downright stubborn.
Tell him that you are very disappointed about his reaction... tell him how important this is for you.
I'm a man in a 30-year marriage and told my wife a few weeks ago about my desire to have a DD relationship. Well she did not exactly embrace the whole idea when I told her either, but there are little signs that she may get into it. The biggest hurdle, is to take it out of the bedroom.
Focus and patience are the main ingredients. That would be my advice for you too.
Don't give up.
Searcher
#6 Don't Give Up Yet
Dear Girl4givn,
I'm so sorry you are feeling alone and misunderstood. Exposing such a private, intimate part of yourself is not easy.
I do hope you can feel proud no matter what the outcome, that you were honest with your desires and that you were brave enough to open the conversation with your husband knowing it might or might not be well received.
However, perhaps all is not lost. It does seem like your husband did take you in hand, just not in the manner you had hoped. He did take charge of the conversation and told you what he expected of you in no uncertain terms. It might be disappointing that he wasn't very supportive or even kind in his reaction, but you could look at this as a crude beginning to Taken In Hand, or at least the possibility of a beginning. At least you know that he is capable of taking charge, which is more than many men can do.
Maybe your husband just needs time to digest what you said and to better understand what is in it for him and your relationship. It took Mr Lucky over a year to really digest what I was asking for and to determine if he was willing and able to take on the role of Head of Household, and we are still in the process of figuring it all out and how it works best for us.
I wonder if it would be helpful to just give your husband the web address and let him explore on his own? You could say that you don't think you did as good a job of explaining what you desire for your relationship in your previous conversation and you think it would be helpful if he went to the Taken In Hand website himself to see what attracted you to it. Maybe you could agree to discuss it in a few weeks after he has had time to read and get a sense of what you are after? If you tell him it is important enough to you that you want to have a meaningful discussion about it before he just dismisses it, then maybe he will see what it means to you and be more open about understanding what you are requesting.
I know you are feeling so bad, but I don't think you should give up yet. Tell your husband how important it is to you and then give him some time and space to reflect. Hopefully that will lead to greater understanding on his part and be the launching point for positive conversation that brings you both closer together.
Good luck.
#7 Might CDD material persuade him?
It seems to me that your hubby might need some reassurance that DD is acceptable in the eyes of the Lord. He wouldn't be the first. Maybe you could read up on C(hristian)DD and present it to him that way. It might sound like less of an erotic game to him if it were backed up by some scripture.
Signed,
a non-denominational I don't know what :)
#8 Very happy indeed!
I TRULY appreciate all of the comments and feedback. Quite a few of you hit the nail on the head. In fact, since I first posted this, he has most certainly been an incredible leader in our home. And wow, he seems so much happier as well. I, in turn, have strived to follow that lead (even when I don't like it too much). I am amazed at the changes that have occurred in our house in just two weeks. Just a couple of days ago I was miffed that I wasn't getting enough attention from him and withdrew into myself, as usual. "What's wrong?" he asked, and I replied "nothing at all". (C'mon guys... you know the NOTHING I'm talking about! Ha!) It was a Saturday and we had so much to do, but he told me to come into the bedroom with him for a minute before he ran one of the kids to a function. I did, and he told me he didn't care who was waiting on us or what had to be done, he was going to wait patiently until I decided to tell him what was wrong, and neither one of us were leaving the bedroom until it was resolved. His exact words... "You asked me to lead this family, so that's what I'm doing." I was quite surprised by the amount of calm control he exhibited.
Anyway, it may sound so simple, but it was pivotal to me. It really averted a unnecessary period of tension in our home. All turned out well, and I walked away from the experience with the realization that this was what I REALLY needed. I feel such a burden of responsibility lifted and a complete new admiration and adoration for my husband.
Thank you everyone for your encouragement. I'm so excited about the better days to come!
#9 Give it time
When I brought up the discussion of us moving to a DD Taken In Hand relationship over a year ago now with my husband his initial reaction was not positive. In fact he said he would never lay a hand on me and why fix something that was not broken.
About one month after that I was still gently discussing and forwarding things I thought would pique his interest or things that got my attention I wanted to talk about. Eventually we did have a conversation about the mechanics of such a relationship.
Don't get discouraged. Give him time, back off a bit, keep reading about other people who are in your situation and maybe it's possible to find some common ground at a later date with your husband.
Best to you.
Cat
#10 Reacted
You sound like a very consciensous person. I think your husband was a bit harsh. From what you said about his past, I think he reacted off the cuff. Your desires are valid and important. So are his. Back off and give him time to think. Be encouraged that you are in a Taken In Hand relationship. Be patient. And hang in there.
#11 Your Hubby is wrong!
Hello,
Since your hubby is a Godly man I suggest he listen to Pastor Mark Driscoll or Pastor Matt Chandler. God should be first then you and then your kids. I think a lot of what you are feeling comes from knowing you are not number 1. What happens after the kids leave home?
#12 Children first
Children should come first regardless of what any authorities say. But Girl4givn's husband isn't acting on behalf of the children in the original post. He's lying his pants off about that.
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